crazy 6 gear story
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Shere Khan
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Carter A, it was in one of Panggam's pictures. Soba kindly added part no. already.
Apparently Panggam in his conversion swapped this part too, but it's unknown at the moment if it was changed due to the six speed conversion OR to the slipper clutch conversion.
Like I said, the post I took the image from was listing just 3 parts needed for six speed conversion: shaft drive, shaft counter and cam gear shift (aka drum if I ain't wrong).
Problem is Panggam's replies to the comments of people telling that might be require other parts are inconsistent and vague at some times.
The side cover is required as you will required as far as I know. But I am waiting for parts. Once received, will try. I have ordered everything just to deduce what is not required
Shere Khan
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Good luck and please keep us updated.
It can be done for sure, but it's gonna be a development adventure in between
It can be done for sure, but it's gonna be a development adventure in between
Shere Khan
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A day ago folks... dude's from India. Don't know if already among us, otherwise could be worth contacting him.
Shere Khan
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Shere Khan
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New video, this time on Youtube. This guy seems enjoyable and open to share, he said a tutorial will follow.
As far as I could tell, they used the OEM 411 carter, so APPARENTLY, major parts required would be shaft, counter shaft and drum. Plus spacersa and washers like you said. Also need to confirm the replacement part number Panggam previosuly provided and check if my local dealer can order for me or if I have to buy from someone in India.
I believe I'll be waiting for the tutorial at this point, just to make sure I understand the parts required and avoid buying some useless.
As far as I could tell, they used the OEM 411 carter, so APPARENTLY, major parts required would be shaft, counter shaft and drum. Plus spacersa and washers like you said. Also need to confirm the replacement part number Panggam previosuly provided and check if my local dealer can order for me or if I have to buy from someone in India.
Just a reminder, there is still one set of parts in the SELLERS section. Not complete but its a start. If anyone buys it and hands me a list of the missing parts from that set I am willing to give it another shot at my sources. I accept INR
himanshuchanana73
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Anybody has any update m planning to the same with my BS4 himalayan which has already been converted to BS3 with mikuni tm36 flats flatslide carb.
These are the main options:
1. Full gearbox swap including clutch and maybe sidecover as well. @SoBa is working on this. This should be the most straightforward swap. This is presumably the swap done by Wakham.
2. I am trying to convert by swapping the necessary gears onto the 5 speed shafts. This way you can keep the original clutch and cover. I am making progress on this one.
P.s. Are you running the TM36 on stock 410cc?
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Shere Khan
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Honestly, I've lost enthusiasm in this project.
I don't want to bash onto any of the great guys here working to improve this motorcycle further on, but I ended up to the conclusion that a sixth gear is pretty useless.
And I came to such conclusion thanks to these prospects from Gearing Commander: here you have two tables comparing three different 411s final transmission configurations (stock, +1 front sprocket and -2 rear sprocket) vs stock 440 at the speed of 100 km/h and 120 km/h.
For me, and I believe for most, the sixth gear would be an overdrive for highways, and so 100-120 km/h is the speed range I am most interested to inspect performance.
Well, you can see numbers yourself... adding one to the front sprocket of removing two from the rear equals all and for all to adding a sixth gear to the 411s... the rpm ranges achieved between 100-120 km/h by these 411s in 5th gear are the same you would get on a stock 440 in 6th gear.
So, it's better if you just put the money into a BB kit. At that point the ex-411s will have the engine to really pull through the taller final transmission.
I don't want to bash onto any of the great guys here working to improve this motorcycle further on, but I ended up to the conclusion that a sixth gear is pretty useless.
And I came to such conclusion thanks to these prospects from Gearing Commander: here you have two tables comparing three different 411s final transmission configurations (stock, +1 front sprocket and -2 rear sprocket) vs stock 440 at the speed of 100 km/h and 120 km/h.
For me, and I believe for most, the sixth gear would be an overdrive for highways, and so 100-120 km/h is the speed range I am most interested to inspect performance.
Well, you can see numbers yourself... adding one to the front sprocket of removing two from the rear equals all and for all to adding a sixth gear to the 411s... the rpm ranges achieved between 100-120 km/h by these 411s in 5th gear are the same you would get on a stock 440 in 6th gear.
So, it's better if you just put the money into a BB kit. At that point the ex-411s will have the engine to really pull through the taller final transmission.
