25% more power and double the acceleration ???
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Please the experts here @Sasa
How does the ECU that expects a maximum of 2 discreet values from the o2 sensor in normal (no fuelx) operation all of a sudden discern 10 values from the same sensor (thru the fuelx pro cheat switch with 10 positions)?
and even if, how can that affect acceleration (open loop operations)? which is the moment you WANT more torque and power.
How does the ECU that expects a maximum of 2 discreet values from the o2 sensor in normal (no fuelx) operation all of a sudden discern 10 values from the same sensor (thru the fuelx pro cheat switch with 10 positions)?
and even if, how can that affect acceleration (open loop operations)? which is the moment you WANT more torque and power.
Belated but still relevant: this is what RD claims for the Fuelx Pro+:
FuelX focuses on rideability and helps the engine run in an optimal condition, with a much cooler operating engine temperature and fewer gear shifts incidentally resulting in better throttle response gains at the lower RPM - lower throttle percentage region. This initial gain helps the engine to eventually achieve better response at higher revs as well.
FuelX is a fuel optimizer and it autotunes the engine to the best operational parameters, constantly monitoring, learning, and adapting to the engine condition, wear and tear, riding style, add-ons (such as air filter and/or exhaust), etc. as well as the environmental conditions such as temperature, humidity, altitude, etc. always ensuring the engine performs in the safest and most optimal zones.
FuelX has complete control in the closed loop and partial control in the Open loop to a certain limit As a result, the engine will be running in an optimal condition, with a much cooler operating engine temperature and fewer gear shifts incidentally resulting in performance gains at the lower RPM and throttle percentage region. This initial response helps the engine to eventually push more at higher revs and throttle percentages and provides overall performance.
FuelX focuses on rideability and helps the engine run in an optimal condition, with a much cooler operating engine temperature and fewer gear shifts incidentally resulting in better throttle response gains at the lower RPM - lower throttle percentage region. This initial gain helps the engine to eventually achieve better response at higher revs as well.
FuelX is a fuel optimizer and it autotunes the engine to the best operational parameters, constantly monitoring, learning, and adapting to the engine condition, wear and tear, riding style, add-ons (such as air filter and/or exhaust), etc. as well as the environmental conditions such as temperature, humidity, altitude, etc. always ensuring the engine performs in the safest and most optimal zones.
FuelX has complete control in the closed loop and partial control in the Open loop to a certain limit As a result, the engine will be running in an optimal condition, with a much cooler operating engine temperature and fewer gear shifts incidentally resulting in performance gains at the lower RPM and throttle percentage region. This initial response helps the engine to eventually push more at higher revs and throttle percentages and provides overall performance.
I wonder how they manage that because the ONLY connection of the Fuelx (any model) is to the O2 sensor - and the ECU does not listen to that data line when in open loop mode.
Advertising works when most people can't think for themselves.
"This initial gain helps the engine to eventually achieve better response at higher revs as well"
EVENTUALLY! well that's interesting, exactly when is eventually?
Like the Kids on the car trip, "are we there yet?"
This product does have its uses and petrol consumption is one of them uses!
"This initial gain helps the engine to eventually achieve better response at higher revs as well"
EVENTUALLY! well that's interesting, exactly when is eventually?
Like the Kids on the car trip, "are we there yet?"
This product does have its uses and petrol consumption is one of them uses!
Thanks to AI today we can answer any question in the blink of an eye.
So rather than me telling you anything and me expecting you to belive it. Why dont you check for yourself.
Use AI and talk to people who spend their life tuning fuell and ignition maps for a living. Ask them what change in power they see when moving AFR from 14.7:1 to 13:1
This is what we need to ask AI. If a 450cc engine makes 20BHP at 4000 RPM (Take the BHP numbers from RE claimed numbers or the cycle world dyno chart). Mention if its at the wheel or the crank. While on an AFR off 14.7:1 (They new Himi seems to be commanding 13.4:1 based on comparing my bike vs my mates new bike). The early himi shows 14.7:1
And we now change the AFR from 14.7:1 to say 13:1 (Runing richer than 13:1 is just going to wear out your engine and make less power on a NA engine). As the extra gas washes the oil off the liner and rings.
What is the change in power output.
If I remember right you will be lucky to see 1 or 2 BHP at any given RPM.
You also do know that you could get the same results with a simple analogue op-amp circuit or even a few resistors and a capacitor. But people are lazy and would prefer to just buy something they can plug in. And feel good about.
You just need to fudge the voltage being sent to the ECU. Open loop means o2 sensor signal is ignored. So I dont see it doing anything there. One could argue that it does change the LTFT and the STFT and these values are used in open loop but my data says no.
Open loop is trigered based on Load / RPM /Throtel anything can trigger open loop.
I dont understand why people cant spent 10$ on a simple OBD2 Scan tool and watch or log all these values for themselves.
So rather than me telling you anything and me expecting you to belive it. Why dont you check for yourself.
Use AI and talk to people who spend their life tuning fuell and ignition maps for a living. Ask them what change in power they see when moving AFR from 14.7:1 to 13:1
This is what we need to ask AI. If a 450cc engine makes 20BHP at 4000 RPM (Take the BHP numbers from RE claimed numbers or the cycle world dyno chart). Mention if its at the wheel or the crank. While on an AFR off 14.7:1 (They new Himi seems to be commanding 13.4:1 based on comparing my bike vs my mates new bike). The early himi shows 14.7:1
And we now change the AFR from 14.7:1 to say 13:1 (Runing richer than 13:1 is just going to wear out your engine and make less power on a NA engine). As the extra gas washes the oil off the liner and rings.
What is the change in power output.
If I remember right you will be lucky to see 1 or 2 BHP at any given RPM.
You also do know that you could get the same results with a simple analogue op-amp circuit or even a few resistors and a capacitor. But people are lazy and would prefer to just buy something they can plug in. And feel good about.
You just need to fudge the voltage being sent to the ECU. Open loop means o2 sensor signal is ignored. So I dont see it doing anything there. One could argue that it does change the LTFT and the STFT and these values are used in open loop but my data says no.
Open loop is trigered based on Load / RPM /Throtel anything can trigger open loop.
I dont understand why people cant spent 10$ on a simple OBD2 Scan tool and watch or log all these values for themselves.
more importantly: where are you from - please enter a real location there - thanx!What are you selling
not AI - trigered Throtel would not be in the training data
